Good with iTunes 7.0

[nswint]

So far the latest mt-daap shares appear to work with iTunes 7.0

[ipn1nj4]

Thanks for posting this. I was afraid to update =]

[rpedde]

Thanks for posting this. I was afraid to update =]

I checked it first thing, too. Was kinda worried. Whew.

[rockit]

does not work for me: itunes 7 in mac os X 10. 4.7
mtdaapd 0.24 installed on my synology 106j

I'm not sure what the cause is, it was working before, I changed my network config (just the iP range), updated my NAS (working fine)... the server is seen in itunes (good starting point) but after 1 min I get an error messaging explaining that itunes cannot access the share...

same issue on an other mac on the same LAN...

maybe just bad luck for me...

[pipian]

Works for me (aside from it's random disconnecting from the mDNS server and requiring a reboot, which was a problem before).

Though has anyone checked for anything new added to DAAP with the update? (passing flags for 'Part of a Gapless Playback Album' perhaps?)

In anycase, Dark Side of the Moon (ALAC) is gapless for me off the server, so it's all good.

[Bosi]

In itunes v7 you can select music by scrolling through your albumart. When i select my mt-daapd server then this new option is not possible. Is this a known problem?

[pipian]

Okay, iTunes 6.0.22 definately can't read iTunes 7 DAAP shares, but that may not be a surprise.

Here are two PCAP dumps of an iTunes 7 share:

iTunes 6.0.22 (Win) accessing iTunes 7 (Mac) (Recieved packets only)
iTunes 7 (Win) accessing iTunes 7 (Mac)

I don't have the time to acquaint myself with any changes from iTunes 6's DAAP (And I didn't bother to trace iTunes 7 accessing iTunes 6), so...

Note: The alternate views are NOT visible in DAAP shares, even with iTunes 7 doing the sharing. So I think that's a 'feature' of iTunes, not a 'bug' in Firefly.

[pipian]

Tidbits gleaned from the initial server response:

dmap.protocolversion is 2.3 (0x00 0x02 0x00 0x03)
daap.protocolversion is 3.3 (0x00 0x03 0x00 0x03)
com.apple.itunes.music-sharing-version is 3.0 (0x00 0x03 0x00 0x00)
aeFP is new(?) and set to 1

Tibdits gleaned from the ContentCodes and NOT in http://www.deleet.de/projekte/daap/?ContentCodes

f\x8Dch, dmap.haschildcontainers, 0x01
agrp, daap.songgrouping, 0x09
asaa, daap.songalbumartist, 0x09
asct, daap.songcategory, 0x09
ascn, daap.songcontentdescription, 0x09
aslc, daap.songlongcontentdescription, 0x09
asky, daap.songkeywords, 0x09
ascr, daap.songcontentrating, 0x01
asgp, daap.songgapless, 0x01
apsm, daap.playlistshufflemode, 0x01
aprm, daap.playlistrepeatmode, 0x01
aeSF, com.apple.itunes.itms-storefrontid, 0x05
aePC, com.apple.itunes.is-podcast, 0x01
aePP, com.apple.itunes.is-podcast-playlist, 0x01
aeHV, com.apple.itunes.has-video, 0x01
aeMK, com.apple.itunes.mediakind, 0x01
aeSN, com.apple.itunes.series-name, 0x09
aeNN, com.apple.itunes.network-name, 0x09
aeEN, com.apple.itunes.episode-num-str, 0x09
aeES, com.apple.itunes.episode-sort, 0x05
aeSU, com.apple.itunes.season-num, 0x05
aeGH, com.apple.itunes.gapless-heur, 0x05
aeGE, com.apple.itunes.gapless-enc-del, 0x05
aeGD, com.apple.itunes.gapless-enc-dr, 0x05
aeGU, com.apple.itunes.gapless-dur, 0x07
aeGR, com.apple.itunes.gapless-resy, 0x07
aeFP, com.apple.itunes.req-fplay, 0x01
aePS, com.apple.itunes.special-playlist, 0x01

Some seem straightforward. Others (like the gapless support) seem quite the mystery. Most likely (for gapless especially) due to the nature of determining the length of the song to allocate a buffer? As mentioned before though, NO configuration is needed for iTunes 7 to play gapless streamed ALAC files from Firefly (presumably as they're lossless). WAV and AIFF files are probably similar in this regard.

[grommet]

Correct. The new iTunes 7 browse features are not available for remote DAAP "shared" content. This is for both 2 new views... (grouped with artwork, and the fancy 3D "cover flow".) So, not much Firefly can do here...

The gapless playback functionality for MP3 & AAC also does not work remotely.

No idea if Apple is planning to improve the DAAP client features in a newer iTunes anytime soon... as they are obviously working on finishing up their $300 streaming set-up box, which will support gapless playback and fancy video based browse methods.

I'm just happy Album Artist is exposed finally.

[pipian]

Well, all they need to do is figure out those few gapless statistics DAAP now provides and implementation should be easy.

[fizze]

heh, well spoketh
its not _that_ easy.

still I think they'll do pretty well with their streaming box, given its well priced.
Although it doesnt feature any HDTV alike content features just yet, it likeley will. They just do this to have a foot in the door.

Anyway, I really dont think lossless is that important, to me at least.
Im always surprised how many people seem to want decent lossless.

0.02€

[rpedde]

Well, all they need to do is figure out those few gapless statistics DAAP now provides and implementation should be easy.

lol.

[Mike]

How is iTunes implementing it's artwork? is it embedding it per track, or just keeping an image around for album?

I'd be interested in bothering to get all the artwork for all of my music, but given how many albums I have, I'd really prefere to only have to do it once. It would be nice if other clients besides just iTunes could see the artwork as well. Recommendations?

I ask here as last time I enabled cover art in mt-daapd, it causes breakage.

[rpedde]

How is iTunes implementing it's artwork? is it embedding it per track, or just keeping an image around for album?

I'd be interested in bothering to get all the artwork for all of my music, but given how many albums I have, I'd really prefere to only have to do it once. It would be nice if other clients besides just iTunes could see the artwork as well. Recommendations?

I ask here as last time I enabled cover art in mt-daapd, it causes breakage.

It embeds it in the song itself, just as it always has. The only thing thats new or different with 7.0 is that it can download the artwork automatically.

As far as compatibility, most clients understand embedded art. Very few (that I've seen) honor external art. To my mind, the artwork belongs embedded in the song.

-- Ron

[grommet]

Actually, Apple changed the behavior in iTunes 7.0... if you use the new Get Album Art feature (and it's successful), it only puts the Album Art into the external database.

If you drag art into the file, or change it in Get Info, it still gets shoved directly into the file metadata (like pre-7 iTunes)... and also gets put into the external database.

Not sure if this is a bug or intentional. The external image database is now necessary, due to the new (local only) Album Art views.